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1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - Chris Williams - 28 Apr 2014
Following the very sad passing of Cliff Schmucker last year The very first DeLorean is now for sale, Proto 1:
http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?9607- ... n-(PROTO-1)-For-Sale
Chris
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - Rich Hanlon - 29 Apr 2014
I wonder if the Ulster Folk and Transport museum are aware? Would be the logical ome for it...
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - RobScott - 29 Apr 2014
has anyone got any restoration pics of this car? I'd like to see how the car is put together.
I am right in thinking it has a fibreglass monocoque, with front and rear subframes bolted on?
Cheers
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - Chris Williams - 29 Apr 2014
Quote:I wonder if the Ulster Folk and Transport museum are aware? Would be the logical ome for it...Couldn't agree more but that would be a huge investment for them that may be they cant afford. One day there may be a proper DeLorean museum.
Chris
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - RobScott - 29 Apr 2014
I dont think there would be enough interest for a delorean only museum? they only produced one car.
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - Dangermouse - 29 Apr 2014
The Titanic was only one ship, yet it has one
Though to do one at that scale would be hard to justify. I think an expanded area at the UFATM would probably be a better fit in the short term.
Proto 1 would be a perfect display but it would take a lottery millionaire DeLorean owner to want to invest in it
. $192,500 is an oddly specifc number.
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - Rich Hanlon - 29 Apr 2014
Quote:it would take a lottery millionaire DeLorean owner to want to invest in it
That's a shame, I can only think of the one...
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - RobScott - 29 Apr 2014
Who actually made this car? was it all in house by Bill Collins? or Ital Design?
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - Dangermouse - 29 Apr 2014
I think it was ital design. Bill Collins and Lotus only got involved when they started down the road to it being a viable production car.
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - dmc4087 - 29 Apr 2014
Rich Hanlon Wrote:I wonder if the Ulster Folk and Transport museum are aware? Would be the logical ome for it...
They cant look after the Delorean they have, never mind the proto.
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - Chris P - 29 Apr 2014
It was made by Bill Collins , but changed and tweaked by Lotus. Ital design only made the wooden model that is in the UTFM.
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - stunned_monkey - 29 Apr 2014
Bill Collins was a proponent of the ERM process by which Proto 1 was made. It's "one of his". I don't believe Proto 1 ever made it across the pond so Lotus probably never went near it. It was built before their involvement too, IIRC
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - Chris P - 29 Apr 2014
Both Chapman and Mike Kimberly went to the USA and tested proto one and wrote a damming report on it.
This was before the deal was signed. (mind you they did have their own agenda!) Its all fully coved in the book.
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - Matt Clark - 29 Apr 2014
I think Chapman and Kimberly test drove Proto 2?
Proto 1 was made by I think Kar Kraft in Detroit, and Proto 2 was made a year or so after by Design Caucus? Not got my files to hand on that to check, could have the names reversed. Proto 1 was the Citroen engine one that's for sale, Proto 2 was an identical Bill Collins style car, but this one had the PRV-V6 in it. For whatever reason the build on Proto 2 was a bodge job - Collins referred to it as "not a good day" when it was done. That's the one that the Lotus guys are said to have tested and left Collins red-faced when it broke down. The early dealer sales agreement features lots of Proto 1 driving around but the video mentions - and shows - a PRV engine so P1 did the publicity work and P2 was an actual development car from what I can tell. There's a thing I think in Fallon's book where they mention the huge cost of having to make *another* faux-ERM underbody mould to fit the PRV as the previous Citroen one was no use. P1 has wing mirrors, P2 doesn't - with that in mind it's interesting how little P2 shows up anywhere visibly in company archives/photos. As said above, they were fibreglass underbodies with bolted on subframes - they couldn't get ERM to work at that point but were expecting to develop it. I can't quite remember whether DMC were claiming it was an ERM body actually in the car or whether they "planned" to start using it.
Proto 2 was shipped to Lotus with its silver painted interior, where it became known as "Doris 1A". Lotus based the first few development mules off P2/D1A before the redesign/Visioneering thing.
Prior to the Lotus development, there were 3 "cars" - Proto 1, Proto 2 (Doris 1A) and the Guigario epo-wood mockup.
Edit: here you go
![[Image: SJZBjHT.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/SJZBjHT.jpg)
From L-R - P2/D1A, P1, Wood mockup.
Re: 1976 DeLorean Proto 1 for sale. - Chris P - 29 Apr 2014
Quite right Matt, just re-read the report, it was proto 2. Sept 78.